Submitted by freakshow on Fri, 11/26/2010 - 2:45pm.
Heather I think your original post - which I got in my email notification but I don't see it on here - is TOTALLY appropriate and relevant, and I'm really excited about the possibility of you seeing this new doctor. You and your process EXIST and are a BIG help to me and my process. I don't always make in onto the book club to reply to posts, but I try to keep up with the topics and I'm always impressed with everyone for continuing to plug away with issues like understanding symptoms and finding good care/therapy/med programs and support systems.
Nature is really helping me now, but I want to eventually try adding some yoga to my "toolbox" as people are calling it. I keep a VERY loose daily schedule that gets me doing just a few simple and productive things every day. Really, it's hardly a schedule, there are no times attached to anything. I aim to: get out of bed, go to the bathroom, scoop the cat litter, fully hydrate, do a simple chore, eat breakfast (half an hour after hydrating - sort of ocd but it seems to work in terms of staying hydrated while avoiding stomach upset), do email/icarus if there's time before my friend comes to walk at 1 pm, walk with friend for 60-90 minutes, come back and do email/icarus/housework/whatever, fix/eat supper, watch a movie or do more computer, go to bed.
I know this is hardly a schedule, but it helps me feel grounded and moderate my activities. Keeping up with the housework is important to me, but I never used to keep up with it in the past when I would expect myself to do it all at once and be "done" forever or something. So now I mostly do it just a little bit at a time, which pleases me and boosts my confidence in myself. I STILL don't usually get to all my activities - like I got all busy in the kitchen the last few days and didn't get on the computer much, which I missed. And other days I'll just write all day and not do any housework. (Although I've been walking every day! I love it and feel so much stronger.) But I can honestly say that every day I do something healthy and productive. This is an improvement over times in the past when I would spend hours playing word games on the computer, or get excessively involved with planning gigs for the band and dance troupe I used to be in, so that I was worked up about it all the time - sort of a workaholic.
Heather I think you're wise to be cautious about those support groups since it sounds like they don't have guidelines to keep people safe from triggers. I was sorry to hear about the crummy botox neurologist. This is kind of unrelated, but once a doctor ACCIDENTALLY prescribed me double the intended dose of prednizone, which I took for two days (120 mg, he meant to prescribe 60 but did the math wrong) before I realized there was a problem. It really sucked. I wish I had taken legal action, it just didn't occur to me at the time.
I am inspired by your perseverence in finding good and varied support systems for yourself. Your example shows me that survival/recovery/well-being CAN happen, even when the obstacles are massive and confusing.
I don't think I responded to your wonderful pm about my music issues! Thank you so much. I get anxiety about responding to pm's a lot of times - same thing with personal emails - I guess because when I'm communicating with just one person at a time I am afraid of blanking out somehow, saying too much, saying too little, not sounding sincere, and so I usually put off responding. I think I'm getting better with this a little bit at a time. It helps to be able to communicate with people individually and also in the group or forums. Your message was so insightful and articulate, I was afraid I couldn't think of anything to write that would "measure up." I know you're not expecting me to "measure up," it's just an old, old thought pattern in my mind, probably related to a period in high school when I used to pour my heart and mind out in letters to people I had met at a summer camp for creative writing, only to experience frustration, lack of connection, and ultimately few letters in return. I'm sure it was that same combination of wrong people + ineffective communication methods that we were talking about before.
The mindfulness is REALLY powerful for me, and I notice healthy change when I apply it to emotional situations in order to avoid being overpowered by them. But I noticed that sitting and doing the 3-5 minutes of mindfulness meditation, while totally pleasant at the time I'm doing it, has been followed by increased triggers for a whole day. So I'm laying off this for the time being but hope to pick it up again in the future when I can feel more stable since I get the feeling that it can create REAL positive change for me when I can handle it. Of course, that seems odd when I think about it, because I thought applying mindfulness in real time was supposed to be the hard part.
I'm still doing DBT every week. The entire mindfulness module was challenging and seemed very relevant for me, but now we're doing emotion regulation and the way they're doing it seems kind of simplistic and dumbed down. They're talking about disputing thoughts - the "I should" and "I always" and "I never" that we use to berate ourselves - but there is no mention of the role of triggers or other complications that might get in the way of disputing those thoughts. I'm not sure what else to say about DBT, I'm just kind of trying to keep an open mind about it. I feel like I've been able to take the pressure off in terms of thinking that this is the ONLY way to "recover" and gain the wholeness and functionality that I seek. It's possible that some of the skills will be covered in a more superficial way due to the leaders' lack of experience (I think it's their first time leading a group). I'll continue to try to be observant and take things with a grain of salt.
Well, that's where I'm at! Oh, and I survived the holiday by unplugging the phone so I wouldn't have to hear my mom leaving messages on the answering machine. I am very close to sending her the email "breaking up" with her for the time being. Specifically, asking her not to contact me again unless I contact her. And backing this up by not answering the phone, blocking emails, and returning letters. I have gradually got to the point where I feel ready to do this. Wish me strength and courage.
I do the thing that you talked about, Heather, where I'm having imaginary arguments with people. The early mornings are hard for me because that's when I feel like my mom and my most recent ex-boyfriend - who was a lot like my mom in his narcissism, destructiveness and squandering of all resources - are in the room with me and I'm having the same types of ridiculous discussions with them, trying to get them to understand and respect my boundaries when actually they understand my boundaries very well and all they want to do is passive-aggressively attack said boundaries. I'm so through with those types of relationships. I am really very proud of myself.
I look forward to gradually waking up early in the morning more often, since sleeping in is basically a way for me to hide from those presences in my life. I did it today. I got up early. It gives me time to write, and do more of everything else that I strive to include in my schedule.
well it definately looks like you have a good plan Heather. thats important to feel safe. have a support system of caregivers you trust developed no matter how small is very helpful. its just a shame that they dont take your insurance. at least you get reimbursed 70%, i wish the support groups were more helpful for you. i go to a support group that isnt geared toward me at all. i just go because its part of the mental health system and i feel if i get there and speak and i get to leave, that i must be ok or the therapist wouldnt have let me go. just adds some structure to my week. i hope the psychiatrist works out for you. my psychiatrist is on youtube. has a major fan base. people come from all over to see him. its crazy.
funny computer erased my reply. hilarious. You guys ever get an eror message, something about a spam filter? Grrr.
You know I was thinking about asking you what supplements are helpful for you, thanks for posting. I am taking omegas, prozac, and bachs stress releif tincture. The new therapist suggested calms forte, and shes right my mom used to give to me when i was a kid and that stuff knocks you out. Haven't tried it lately. Oh yeah, and hydoxizine as needed. But as long as I don't drink more than a cup of coffee a day and as long as I get to go running or something then i don't need the hydroxyzine.
Hope you get to see the fancy psychiatrist. Kaliope, do you feel like your psychiatrist is justifiably that good, or isit just hype? How is he or she different from other psychiatrists?
i think my psychiatrist is excellent but hes one of those curses as well as a blessing deals. i go to the state hospital where they just mill you through and he actually goes through everything instead of just prescribing whatevers popular. i had to petition to get back under his care, i was on six meds under another doc and he went through my file and tossed it on the desk and said none of this is working then on his lunch break drove over to the main hospital to get my inpatient file to get info from it and got me down to three meds. he trusts me to make my own med decisions so if i want to go down on something or off say my anti depressant or antianxiety like i have he has no problem with that or reducing dosages hes really cool about it. i think he is mentally ill himself honestly tho. thats the curse part. he comes across as manic sometimes and those appts i have to keep him on track..hes rather eccentric but the weirdness is worth the benefits of his knowledge and not being lectured for messing with my meds. my phd has told me about several cases that seemed hopeless that my doc stepped in on and was able to find the right meds for. but he is truely an odd duck. i think thats why im ok seeing him. any other doc i cry through the appointmnt im so anxious.
people who get into psychatric work tend to be really odd, because they usually are into it due to trying to work out their own troubles. it is really hard to get someone good and when you do often times they are good because they can be honest and say "i don't know" which leaves you grasping at straws.....
supplements:
omega 3 are the brain food, i hear that everyone should take them - the added benefit is for the heart health.
B vitamins control the mood, sleep, stuff like that. they build the brain. there's a doctor in toronto who treats bipolar and schizophernia only with massive injections of Bs. (don't try this at home kids LOL) also antidepressants suck the B vitaimins out of your system, lovely, huh, so anyone on an antiD really needs their B 100 pill.
calcium, D and magnesium, aside from helping my arthritis, also help with sleep and mood.
vit E can help with TD and protecting against TD, but in large doses it can poison you.
dandelion root tincture and milk thistle are both good liver tonics which anyone on psych drugs needs every once in a while. (poor liver and kidneys!)
evening primrose oil is prescribed in Europe for PMS, but it hasn't helped me, but my case is very severe.
i didn't have much success with bach flower rememdies, but a lot of friends have. i gave about $200 worth to a homeopathic animal rescue person. i tried making my own too but that really didn't help much either. i hate reiki because it feels invasive like someone is shoving something into me, but a lot of people i know swear by that and other energy work - i do like the energy work called healing touch that is taught to nurses.
i took the TD animo acids today for the first time. GROSS tasting. wow three times a day forever..,.
"It's the end," said the caterpillar. "It's the beginning," said the butterfly.
I became a reiki master in my quest for mental health. It always made me sick, running to the bathroom to puke sick. I spent seven years in that world doing chakra balancing, hands on healing, postive affirmations, spirit guides, all sorts of energy work. I was blessed to be part of so many miracles in the healing of others, but never found my own peace of mind. And Heather you stated it in one of your other posts, the alternative healers put it on me, I was doing something to prevent myself from being healed, I must not have wanted it bad enough. I finally quit. It was getting my hopes up because I had so much faith, I believed with my whole heart and soul, I went through horribly emotional releases and regressions, I once meditated on the bloody flashback I frequently had and "felt" myself being beat and raped and after I came out of the meditation I had actual bruises on my legs and was physically sore and could barely move. I prayed, affirmed, desired, worked so hard for healing and it never came.As alive and connected as being tuned in to all that energy made me, I walked away from it all because it just wasnt working for me. That was the first time I tried meds.
Submitted by freakshow on Fri, 11/26/2010 - 9:37pm.
Hi Kaliope! I used to do a lot of reiki - I got to level two - and I liked it in some ways but I did run across some scary judgmental people! What works for you is what matters and I'm glad you were able to walk away from that scene after it turned out not to help you.
For me, it seemed like the "healers" I was involved with didn't really want to be working with anyone who had serious emotional problems like having survived trauma. My teacher had moved to Roanoke, Virginia - blue-collar railroad "city" in the mountains where not too many people were interested in things new-agey - from New Jersey, where it sounds like Reiki is a lot more normalized. Looking back on it, I think she was visibly frustrated by the people who signed up for her class - "freaks" and "rednecks" and other assorted weirdos like me, all of whom seemed to have experience with the mental health/illness system. This assessment I am making is based on my impression at the time, communications with her where she pressured me to get anti-depressants just because I kept crying, and also an article she wrote listing examples of people who would benefit from reiki: a kid that scrapes their knee, a woman with an illness, and a man who experiences mild stress/tension - the whole thing screamed NORMAL!! REIKI IS FOR NORMAL PEOPLE!!!! She didn't seem interested in those of us who were really struggling, who were desperate or courageous enough to look outside of our cultural norms - I was raised by angry repressed conservative Bible-thumpers for instance - to find some deeper meaning or journey through life.
So yeah, after that I never had much contact with the new age "healing" community either. I did find that there are some good techniques out there for body work/healing - I have seen a couple of terrific chiropractors, and awesome Rolfer, and even some shamanic practitioners who were wise and compassionate. I once saw a HORRIBLE osteopath, who lost her temper at me out of nowhere and accused me of "blaming everything on your dad" just because (this was after my bike accident) my dad had been paying for her sessions and decided to stop, and I had to tell the osteopath this. It upsets me to remember that, actually. So, in my mind right now, I am trying to emphasize the people who really made the effort to help me, whether it was with physical pain or emotional anguish or both. I have taken over the finances from my generous but disorganized husband, so maybe in a few months or so we'll have enough money so that I can get a massage and go back to the chiropractor after, like, two years.
Heather I think your
Heather I think your original post - which I got in my email notification but I don't see it on here - is TOTALLY appropriate and relevant, and I'm really excited about the possibility of you seeing this new doctor. You and your process EXIST and are a BIG help to me and my process. I don't always make in onto the book club to reply to posts, but I try to keep up with the topics and I'm always impressed with everyone for continuing to plug away with issues like understanding symptoms and finding good care/therapy/med programs and support systems.
Nature is really helping me now, but I want to eventually try adding some yoga to my "toolbox" as people are calling it. I keep a VERY loose daily schedule that gets me doing just a few simple and productive things every day. Really, it's hardly a schedule, there are no times attached to anything. I aim to: get out of bed, go to the bathroom, scoop the cat litter, fully hydrate, do a simple chore, eat breakfast (half an hour after hydrating - sort of ocd but it seems to work in terms of staying hydrated while avoiding stomach upset), do email/icarus if there's time before my friend comes to walk at 1 pm, walk with friend for 60-90 minutes, come back and do email/icarus/housework/whatever, fix/eat supper, watch a movie or do more computer, go to bed.
I know this is hardly a schedule, but it helps me feel grounded and moderate my activities. Keeping up with the housework is important to me, but I never used to keep up with it in the past when I would expect myself to do it all at once and be "done" forever or something. So now I mostly do it just a little bit at a time, which pleases me and boosts my confidence in myself. I STILL don't usually get to all my activities - like I got all busy in the kitchen the last few days and didn't get on the computer much, which I missed. And other days I'll just write all day and not do any housework. (Although I've been walking every day! I love it and feel so much stronger.) But I can honestly say that every day I do something healthy and productive. This is an improvement over times in the past when I would spend hours playing word games on the computer, or get excessively involved with planning gigs for the band and dance troupe I used to be in, so that I was worked up about it all the time - sort of a workaholic.
Heather I think you're wise to be cautious about those support groups since it sounds like they don't have guidelines to keep people safe from triggers. I was sorry to hear about the crummy botox neurologist. This is kind of unrelated, but once a doctor ACCIDENTALLY prescribed me double the intended dose of prednizone, which I took for two days (120 mg, he meant to prescribe 60 but did the math wrong) before I realized there was a problem. It really sucked. I wish I had taken legal action, it just didn't occur to me at the time.
I am inspired by your perseverence in finding good and varied support systems for yourself. Your example shows me that survival/recovery/well-being CAN happen, even when the obstacles are massive and confusing.
I don't think I responded to your wonderful pm about my music issues! Thank you so much. I get anxiety about responding to pm's a lot of times - same thing with personal emails - I guess because when I'm communicating with just one person at a time I am afraid of blanking out somehow, saying too much, saying too little, not sounding sincere, and so I usually put off responding. I think I'm getting better with this a little bit at a time. It helps to be able to communicate with people individually and also in the group or forums. Your message was so insightful and articulate, I was afraid I couldn't think of anything to write that would "measure up." I know you're not expecting me to "measure up," it's just an old, old thought pattern in my mind, probably related to a period in high school when I used to pour my heart and mind out in letters to people I had met at a summer camp for creative writing, only to experience frustration, lack of connection, and ultimately few letters in return. I'm sure it was that same combination of wrong people + ineffective communication methods that we were talking about before.
The mindfulness is REALLY powerful for me, and I notice healthy change when I apply it to emotional situations in order to avoid being overpowered by them. But I noticed that sitting and doing the 3-5 minutes of mindfulness meditation, while totally pleasant at the time I'm doing it, has been followed by increased triggers for a whole day. So I'm laying off this for the time being but hope to pick it up again in the future when I can feel more stable since I get the feeling that it can create REAL positive change for me when I can handle it. Of course, that seems odd when I think about it, because I thought applying mindfulness in real time was supposed to be the hard part.
I'm still doing DBT every week. The entire mindfulness module was challenging and seemed very relevant for me, but now we're doing emotion regulation and the way they're doing it seems kind of simplistic and dumbed down. They're talking about disputing thoughts - the "I should" and "I always" and "I never" that we use to berate ourselves - but there is no mention of the role of triggers or other complications that might get in the way of disputing those thoughts. I'm not sure what else to say about DBT, I'm just kind of trying to keep an open mind about it. I feel like I've been able to take the pressure off in terms of thinking that this is the ONLY way to "recover" and gain the wholeness and functionality that I seek. It's possible that some of the skills will be covered in a more superficial way due to the leaders' lack of experience (I think it's their first time leading a group). I'll continue to try to be observant and take things with a grain of salt.
Well, that's where I'm at! Oh, and I survived the holiday by unplugging the phone so I wouldn't have to hear my mom leaving messages on the answering machine. I am very close to sending her the email "breaking up" with her for the time being. Specifically, asking her not to contact me again unless I contact her. And backing this up by not answering the phone, blocking emails, and returning letters. I have gradually got to the point where I feel ready to do this. Wish me strength and courage.
I do the thing that you talked about, Heather, where I'm having imaginary arguments with people. The early mornings are hard for me because that's when I feel like my mom and my most recent ex-boyfriend - who was a lot like my mom in his narcissism, destructiveness and squandering of all resources - are in the room with me and I'm having the same types of ridiculous discussions with them, trying to get them to understand and respect my boundaries when actually they understand my boundaries very well and all they want to do is passive-aggressively attack said boundaries. I'm so through with those types of relationships. I am really very proud of myself.
I look forward to gradually waking up early in the morning more often, since sleeping in is basically a way for me to hide from those presences in my life. I did it today. I got up early. It gives me time to write, and do more of everything else that I strive to include in my schedule.
well it definately looks
well it definately looks like you have a good plan Heather. thats important to feel safe. have a support system of caregivers you trust developed no matter how small is very helpful. its just a shame that they dont take your insurance. at least you get reimbursed 70%, i wish the support groups were more helpful for you. i go to a support group that isnt geared toward me at all. i just go because its part of the mental health system and i feel if i get there and speak and i get to leave, that i must be ok or the therapist wouldnt have let me go. just adds some structure to my week. i hope the psychiatrist works out for you. my psychiatrist is on youtube. has a major fan base. people come from all over to see him. its crazy.
funny computer erased my
funny computer erased my reply. hilarious. You guys ever get an eror message, something about a spam filter? Grrr.
You know I was thinking about asking you what supplements are helpful for you, thanks for posting. I am taking omegas, prozac, and bachs stress releif tincture. The new therapist suggested calms forte, and shes right my mom used to give to me when i was a kid and that stuff knocks you out. Haven't tried it lately. Oh yeah, and hydoxizine as needed. But as long as I don't drink more than a cup of coffee a day and as long as I get to go running or something then i don't need the hydroxyzine.
Hope you get to see the fancy psychiatrist. Kaliope, do you feel like your psychiatrist is justifiably that good, or isit just hype? How is he or she different from other psychiatrists?
i think my psychiatrist
i think my psychiatrist is excellent but hes one of those curses as well as a blessing deals. i go to the state hospital where they just mill you through and he actually goes through everything instead of just prescribing whatevers popular. i had to petition to get back under his care, i was on six meds under another doc and he went through my file and tossed it on the desk and said none of this is working then on his lunch break drove over to the main hospital to get my inpatient file to get info from it and got me down to three meds. he trusts me to make my own med decisions so if i want to go down on something or off say my anti depressant or antianxiety like i have he has no problem with that or reducing dosages hes really cool about it. i think he is mentally ill himself honestly tho. thats the curse part. he comes across as manic sometimes and those appts i have to keep him on track..hes rather eccentric but the weirdness is worth the benefits of his knowledge and not being lectured for messing with my meds. my phd has told me about several cases that seemed hopeless that my doc stepped in on and was able to find the right meds for. but he is truely an odd duck. i think thats why im ok seeing him. any other doc i cry through the appointmnt im so anxious.
people who get into
people who get into psychatric work tend to be really odd, because they usually are into it due to trying to work out their own troubles. it is really hard to get someone good and when you do often times they are good because they can be honest and say "i don't know" which leaves you grasping at straws.....
supplements:
omega 3 are the brain food, i hear that everyone should take them - the added benefit is for the heart health.
B vitamins control the mood, sleep, stuff like that. they build the brain. there's a doctor in toronto who treats bipolar and schizophernia only with massive injections of Bs. (don't try this at home kids LOL) also antidepressants suck the B vitaimins out of your system, lovely, huh, so anyone on an antiD really needs their B 100 pill.
calcium, D and magnesium, aside from helping my arthritis, also help with sleep and mood.
vit E can help with TD and protecting against TD, but in large doses it can poison you.
dandelion root tincture and milk thistle are both good liver tonics which anyone on psych drugs needs every once in a while. (poor liver and kidneys!)
evening primrose oil is prescribed in Europe for PMS, but it hasn't helped me, but my case is very severe.
i didn't have much success with bach flower rememdies, but a lot of friends have. i gave about $200 worth to a homeopathic animal rescue person. i tried making my own too but that really didn't help much either. i hate reiki because it feels invasive like someone is shoving something into me, but a lot of people i know swear by that and other energy work - i do like the energy work called healing touch that is taught to nurses.
i took the TD animo acids today for the first time. GROSS tasting. wow three times a day forever..,.
"It's the end," said the caterpillar. "It's the beginning," said the butterfly.
I became a reiki master in
I became a reiki master in my quest for mental health. It always made me sick, running to the bathroom to puke sick. I spent seven years in that world doing chakra balancing, hands on healing, postive affirmations, spirit guides, all sorts of energy work. I was blessed to be part of so many miracles in the healing of others, but never found my own peace of mind. And Heather you stated it in one of your other posts, the alternative healers put it on me, I was doing something to prevent myself from being healed, I must not have wanted it bad enough. I finally quit. It was getting my hopes up because I had so much faith, I believed with my whole heart and soul, I went through horribly emotional releases and regressions, I once meditated on the bloody flashback I frequently had and "felt" myself being beat and raped and after I came out of the meditation I had actual bruises on my legs and was physically sore and could barely move. I prayed, affirmed, desired, worked so hard for healing and it never came.As alive and connected as being tuned in to all that energy made me, I walked away from it all because it just wasnt working for me. That was the first time I tried meds.
Hi Kaliope! I used to do a
Hi Kaliope! I used to do a lot of reiki - I got to level two - and I liked it in some ways but I did run across some scary judgmental people! What works for you is what matters and I'm glad you were able to walk away from that scene after it turned out not to help you.
For me, it seemed like the "healers" I was involved with didn't really want to be working with anyone who had serious emotional problems like having survived trauma. My teacher had moved to Roanoke, Virginia - blue-collar railroad "city" in the mountains where not too many people were interested in things new-agey - from New Jersey, where it sounds like Reiki is a lot more normalized. Looking back on it, I think she was visibly frustrated by the people who signed up for her class - "freaks" and "rednecks" and other assorted weirdos like me, all of whom seemed to have experience with the mental health/illness system. This assessment I am making is based on my impression at the time, communications with her where she pressured me to get anti-depressants just because I kept crying, and also an article she wrote listing examples of people who would benefit from reiki: a kid that scrapes their knee, a woman with an illness, and a man who experiences mild stress/tension - the whole thing screamed NORMAL!! REIKI IS FOR NORMAL PEOPLE!!!! She didn't seem interested in those of us who were really struggling, who were desperate or courageous enough to look outside of our cultural norms - I was raised by angry repressed conservative Bible-thumpers for instance - to find some deeper meaning or journey through life.
So yeah, after that I never had much contact with the new age "healing" community either. I did find that there are some good techniques out there for body work/healing - I have seen a couple of terrific chiropractors, and awesome Rolfer, and even some shamanic practitioners who were wise and compassionate. I once saw a HORRIBLE osteopath, who lost her temper at me out of nowhere and accused me of "blaming everything on your dad" just because (this was after my bike accident) my dad had been paying for her sessions and decided to stop, and I had to tell the osteopath this. It upsets me to remember that, actually. So, in my mind right now, I am trying to emphasize the people who really made the effort to help me, whether it was with physical pain or emotional anguish or both. I have taken over the finances from my generous but disorganized husband, so maybe in a few months or so we'll have enough money so that I can get a massage and go back to the chiropractor after, like, two years.